Comments on Magick Sandwich: More Louise Hay Garbage

I just wanted to thank you. I could not find my Ha...

2011-01-10T06:44:40.459-05:00

I just wanted to thank you. I could not find my Hay book and was surfing the net for the information. Even though it may not have been your intention you provided me with the information I was seeking. Again thank you for including some of Hays dis-ease philosophies on your site.

I find it comforting that you say what you dare an...

2010-07-06T05:50:55.463-04:00

I find it comforting that you say what you dare and are daring enough to fight back when people find it necessary to call you names. I find it odd for them to insult you, you didn't insult them personally or come a trolling on their blogs and spout ditto headed blather. IRONICALLY enough, these readers should have been overjoyed. You said what you felt was true, in YOUR affirmed reality (which is in a FACT reality) which is all that loony psycho money grabbing bitch has ever proclaimed. These with such dis-ease weren't asked to be comforted by you, nor supported in any statements that pulled their fantasy land out from under them. I find it more than curious in this time, the inner world has turned back time to Copernicus, where "I" is the center and everything revolves.

I applaud you. You are also funny as hell!

Thank you, James. I almost closed this to comments...

2010-01-11T12:34:30.915-05:00

Thank you, James. I almost closed this to comments a short time ago after receiving a particularly noxious comment. I don't like to censor anyone but gave myself permission to ban the hateful diatribe from by blog.

In a way, my exchanges with commenters give a much fuller picture of what I think about this issue than the post could. I'm glad you found it entertaining for the most part. (Probably up until I lost my temper and dropped the f-bomb? I was at the end of my tether.)

And thank you so much for your kind words. I'm delighted that you found my post and took the time to read it. I checked your profile and look forward to reading Monkey Mind. I've described my thoughts that way for some time now.

Dear Kathcom, I was just watching "This Emot...

2010-01-10T18:17:39.430-05:00

Dear Kathcom,

I was just watching "This Emotional Life" on PBS and there was a passing and, as you might imagine, not particularly favorable reference to Ms Hay.

I recollected her saying to gay folk that bad attitudes led to AIDS. And as my laptop was sitting right there next to me, I wondered what would happen if I googled "Louise Hay" and "pseudoscience."

I had the good fortune to stumble upon your blog and this post and the mostly delightful exchanges that passed for a time starting in July, 2008.

I want to thank you for your clear thinking and your good writing. And that I'm glad such things have some sort of half life out in the aethers...

It does appear you were right, of course, as despite whatever negative energy was directed toward her a year and a half ago, Ms Hay is still around pitching her nostrums.

On the other hand I have learned a valuable lesson. Apparently blaming the victim has bags of money in it...

Sincerely,

James

I believe that eveyone should say what they want t...

2009-12-14T19:24:28.080-05:00

I believe that eveyone should say what they want to say..and yes, a lot of Louise Hay's info is very broad in its diagnosis causes, if that is the right way to say it, but a lot of it is rooted in some truth. My personal truth.
anger and negativity can give you "knots in your stomach". Fear can cause you to hyperventalate. Stress over a very real situation can cause the muscles to tense up and blood pressure to go up, so how does it not make sense that our body MANIFESTS SOME OF THE EMOTIONS THAT WE FEEL, THOUGHTS WE THINK THAT ARE TRANSLATED TO OUR BOIDES? I mean, it just seems super obvious to me.
I think that your hate, and self hatred must be really blinding you to the possibility of the concept.
But venting your negativity can only be a good thing for you, getting it off your chest and hopefully not sending it towards anyone in particular.
We are ALL ENERGY MAMASITA. OUR BODIES, THOUGHTS, ETC. WHY WOULD THEY ALL NOT RELATE TO ONE ANOTHER..CHECK YOUR LOCAL SCIENCE CLASS AND GOOD LUCK

@Anonymous: Congratulations on naming philosophers...

2009-10-21T17:27:03.211-04:00

@Anonymous: Congratulations on naming philosophers. Aristotel? Never heard of him: did you Googel him?

As Epictetus said, "First learn the meaning of what you say, then speak."

Negativity seems to be ascribed to those who do not suffer fools gladly. I consider myself in good company.

As an adult, I know that repeating an affirmation will not bring it into being.

As a writer, I know that one does not waste one's best material on idiots. So I'll be economical here: Go fuck yourself.

Seneca, Aristotel, Epictetus to name a few . If yo...

2009-10-20T22:44:36.499-04:00

Seneca, Aristotel, Epictetus to name a few . If you find it too dificult to follow, you can always turn to Ovid's poetry (ancient Roman poet). I would hardly compare their work to that of man's first guessing theory that the world is flat.

In any event, Louise takes some concepts a bit too far, but none of them make me feel bad or angry or anxious. Your blogs on the other hand have a pretty negative energy, my dear.
So, it's time to say good-bye.

p.s I know you REALLY REALLY REALLY want to be a successful writer kathcom. so go ahead...say it in the mirror to yourself..."I am a great writer. I am a great writer. I am a great writer" I know you want to...

@Anonymous: Yes, I read the book all the way throu...

2009-10-19T19:01:09.240-04:00

@Anonymous: Yes, I read the book all the way through. Although I suspected early on that it was garbage, I gave it a chance because I believe that even the most ridiculous person, place or thing has something to teach us.

In this case, it taught me about one of our well-meaning, human frailties: gullibility.

We are most decidedly not "what we think"-- would some of us have chosen the circumstances of our birth, our perceived defects or financial insecurity? According to Hay, the answer is yes. Read the book. We choose our parents before we're born. Do you believe that?

I can understand that you don't want to explain a concept "as old as the ancient civilizations and their philosophers." You can't because you have no idea what you're talking about. Which philosophers have you read lately?

By the way, just because a belief is "ancient" does not make it true. We learned the earth is not flat and that the sun does not revolve around us quite a long time ago.

Though your question is rhetorical, I will answer it. I bought the book looking for help. There is good advice to be found amid the dross. A dose of critical thinking might help treat your case of magical thinking.

Barbara Ehrenreich has a new book out called Bright-Sided: How the Relentless Promotion of Positive Thinking Has Undermined America. I can't give you an opinion about it yet as I haven't read it. But it may be just what the doctor ordered.

Kathcom, you did your research only halfway throug...

2009-10-15T23:31:18.228-04:00

Kathcom, you did your research only halfway through. You quickly snapped after not liking one of her books of affirmations. Louise herself explicitly and clearly emphasizes that affirmations alone will not be useful UNLESS they are followed by action.
Louise teaches about common sense things. These are ancient old teachings "you are what you think". I'm not going to defend Louise or waste any more time explaining to you this concept ... it is as old as the ancient civilizations and their philosophers.
Here's a rhetorical question for you: Why did you buy the book then, if you are so opposed to "positive thinking"? Surely, you leafed through it before purchasing???

@vkingsley: I have to admit that when I read your ...

2009-10-05T13:25:59.641-04:00

@vkingsley: I have to admit that when I read your comment, I got a lump in my throat.

My mother is also a cancer survivor who was told on many occasions that her life stress caused it and positive energy, raw food shakes etc. could cure it. They meant well but they only added more stress and guilt to her situation.

I am so happy that you understood what I meant in my post and that I would never wish a terrible disease on anyone. Louise Hay may believe in her own quackery but she has done a disservice to her readers. She is no better than a peddler of snake oil to me.

Self-help can be a wonderful tool when it is not used to bludgeon those who suffer.

You've made my day. Thank you.

Oh what a lovely day to have come upon your much-n...

2009-10-05T11:50:36.257-04:00

Oh what a lovely day to have come upon your much-needed post (and responses).

On the one hand - positive affirmation alone cannot change the world (and I use this one word "world" to encompass many things - war, famine, disease, global warming, economies, cancer, difficulties in relationships...)

On the other, one's attitude does change HOW one deals with the world.

That said, reading your brialliant insight into Lousie Hay's book has made me smile. That smile is making me feel better than when I went looking for someone - ANYone - willing to mock her and shine a light onto her pseudoscience quackery.

I - a long-time cancer survivor of a heinously painful disease that is terminal with NO KNOWN SURVIVORS - understand EXACTLY what you are saying and thank you with my whole heart for saying it.

I could kiss you, you beautiful and not-so-stupid bitch!

www.alotoflife.com

@Marz: Thank you for keeping an open mind when rea...

2009-05-20T15:11:40.824-04:00

@Marz: Thank you for keeping an open mind when reading my post. I'd like to clear up a couple things, though.

Bandying about scientific terminology does not give credence to Louise Hay's "theories."

Scientific method involves developing a theory, testing it and attaining reproducible results.

What Louise Hay trumpets is pseudoscience or "magical thinking." For example, the placebo effect can be very real. But it is inherent in us and not summoned by Louise Hay in order to profit from it.

Her quackery is that much more egregious for preying on our gullible nature, the part that "wants to believe."

One other thing that I'd like to address is the abuse of the concept of opinion. Having differing points of view is all well and good in the absence of fact. When a fact is in evidence, opinion becomes irrelevant.

One can have an opinion regarding that fact, such as, "I'm angry that I was bamboozled by a liar." But one cannot ignore the fact in favor of opinion unless one is a fool.

I'd recommend the book Why People Believe Weird Things as a good way to start one's education when the lessons of high school level science have failed.

Best of luck on your wonderful journey of learning.

Hey kat, after reading your post i did find u nega...

2009-05-19T07:52:00.000-04:00

Hey kat, after reading your post i did find u negative but throughout ur responses very funny.
Ur humor may be a defence mechanism or your way of putting up a wall... possiby but i'm no expert.
Many ideas co-exist and some are completly opposite, but that dosent mean one or the other is wrong.

I do believe in Louise Hay's theory that most disease starts as psychological stress and builds from there. The reason i believe this is because we are all made up of energy (even our scientists have proven this... look up quantam physics... if thats how u spell it, but google it anyway.
Our psycological stress causes energy blockages in certain parts of our bodies... usually this is not too threatening and causes muscle aches and pains, but when its experienced over a long period of time it can cause disease.

Like i said there are many different perspectives and just because i believe in this dosent mean your wrong... but like everyone we need to keep an open mind. Its all good to be critical and ask questions and dive into theorys but once you become cynical, you close yourself off from some great discoveries and realisations.

Thanks
Marz

Dear Anonymous the Third:
How's this for a deal...

2008-12-29T17:25:00.000-05:00

Dear Anonymous the Third:
How's this for a deal? I'll stand in front of a mirror and wish myself sick if you'll stand in front of your mirror and wish yourself smart.

Since it's cold and flu season anyway, which one of us has the better chance?:

To Kathcom, care to test it?
You said "A key po...

2008-12-23T23:42:00.000-05:00

To Kathcom, care to test it?
You said "A key point here is that I don't actually believe that I can wish a disease on anyone any more than I believe that I can cause my own", want to pick a mild one? If so, try standing in front of the mirror for 30 straight days and tell yourself you look terrible, have a cold, droopy Rheumy eyes, flaccid skin, a down expression OUT LOUD, Just once a morning should do the trick...then let us all know in 30 days time please the outcome! Did it happen? I bet you never reply!

A second reading of the original post gave me a cl...

2008-12-23T23:38:00.000-05:00

A second reading of the original post gave me a clue to what this posters problem was....mental herpes? Had it checked? Mind Fuck? Sounds like a worrying aftermath of a bad night with a less than clean partner playing on your mind perhaps? Doctors can check for that, dont "self-help" it, ask one to take a look down below!

This poster appears to have suffered because of ne...

2008-12-23T23:18:00.000-05:00

This poster appears to have suffered because of never reading Berne's Games People Play, It won't cure him/her but at least a little self awareness might help

anonymous, I am very happy to hear that you no lon...

2008-09-02T09:28:00.000-04:00

anonymous, I am very happy to hear that you no longer suffer from lupus and asthma. This is a wonderful thing, no matter what belief you ascribe to it.

You've made the assumption that I haven't looked deep inside of myself and done some work. You must think I'm riddled with disease.

Again, I am going to say that I do NOT believe that I can wish cancer on someone. It is wishful thinking as is apparently my wish for would-be mystics to understand the use of irony.

In any case, if in the future you come down with a cold or get a wart, I hope you will not feel that you have failed in your vigilant affirmations.

Since you use the "om" I assume you have done enough study to see that in certain philosophies "dis-ease" is seen as a natural part of life.

By the way, I know people who have lupus and asthma. I must go tell them that Louise Hay says they don't want to live and they need to be positive and say some affirmations. By your "reasoning" they should start feeling better, right?

Just as a side note: just as the placebo effect exists, so does spell-check. Please avail yourself of it for the good of all.

omg chancre

forgot to mention that I was diagnosed with lupus ...

2008-09-01T16:04:00.000-04:00

forgot to mention that I was diagnosed with lupus and asthma...both in Louise's book are about not wanting to live....

that was in 1990 I have been dis-ease free for the last 13 years and my doctor finally said that if she didn't have all my tests in front of her - she would say that I never had Lupus at all....and THEY...the medical field say it's not curable...

go figure

Since I am someone whose life has been incredible ...

2008-09-01T16:02:00.000-04:00

Since I am someone whose life has been incredible affected by Louise Hays teachings I would say that there is definetly a psyco emotional connection to all dis-easse...

That you don't want to hear what is being said does not mean that it isn't so... to see the connection would mean to have to look deep into the self and then to do some work...which is seems that you are not willing to do.

I work with many people and when they do look at the connections and see that there is some truth to what is being said - healing on a very large scale occurs...

and the fact that you would wish cancer on anyone says more about you than anything else...

om shanti

Thank you, Anonymous, for your insightful analysis...

2008-07-17T12:44:00.000-04:00

Thank you, Anonymous, for your insightful analysis.

A key point here is that I don't actually believe that I can wish a disease on anyone any more than I believe that I can cause my own. Do you?

BTW, how did you know that "I am a stupid bitch" is my daily affirmation? You must be psychic!

Thanks for sharing.

You are so negative you probably have halitosis. ...

2008-07-16T20:55:00.000-04:00

You are so negative you probably have halitosis. And live a miserable life.

Do you really want to wish cancer on someone? A cancer survivor at that?

You are a stupid bitch.